(Dari diskusi di milis Sinergi-ia-itb@yahoogroups.com)

On 7/31/12, furkan jadid wrote:

“Dulu Jepang ngebom Pearl Harbour itu tujuannya untuk menguasai Tarakan,untuk menguasai sumber-sumber minyak, jadi sejak lama Indonesia akan
jadi pertaruhan untuk penguasaan di wilayah Asia Pasifik, kemerdekaan Indonesia bukan saja soal kemerdekaan politiek, tapi soal bagaimana
menjadiken manusia yang didalamnya hidup terhormat dan terjamin kesejahteraannya” kata Bung Karno saat menerima beberapa pembantunya sesaat setelah pengunduran Hatta menjadi Wakil Presiden RI tahun 1956.

Saat itu Indonesia merobek-robek perjanjian KMB didorong oleh kelompok Murba, Bung Karno berani menuntut pada dunia Internasional untuk
mendesak Belanda menyerahkan Irian Barat kepada Indonesia “Kalau Belanda mau perang, kita jawab dengan perang” teriak Bung Karno saat memerintahkan Subandrio untuk melobi beberapa negara barat seperti Inggris dan Amerika Serikat.

komplitnya di http://kfk.kompas.com/blog/view/117915-Bung-Karno-dan-Politik-Minyak-Kita

salam,
Jadid 94

Kira-kira kalau Soekarno masih hidup sekarang, apa yang akan dilakukannya?
apakah dia akan menyesal melihat anak2nya semisal Megawati dan menantunya Taufik Kiemas?
ataukah dia senang melihat anak2nya udah pada kaya seperti sekarang?

tapi coba ditanya Megawati, apakah setelah mereka kaya raya sekarang, dan punya banyak pompa bensin,
apakah mereka pernah ingat rakyat kecil seperti yang diceritakan di artikel berikut sangat diperjuangkan Soekarno?
ingat ga anak2 Soekarno tentang semua cita2 Bapaknya?

kalau saya sih, sudah lupakan saja tentang nostalgia tentang Soekarno,
lihat saya itu anak2nya seperti apa sekarang?
tetap saja haus kekuasaan, dan setelah di puncak kekuasaan, lupa juga sama wong cilik, yang padahal ketika kampanye,
selalu mengatakan memperjuangkan wong cilik.


Thank You and Best Regards,
Natal Hutabarat

Rekan Natal,
Mungkin harus dibedakan antara Soekarno dengan anak2nya apalagi dengan menantunya. Latar belakang sejarah yang membentuk mereka kan beda, walaupun yg satu bapak dan yang lain anak. Soekarno tamatan THS, elit intelek pada masanya. Megawati tdk tamat perguruan tinggi. Soekarno pembaca sejarah, Megawati penonton sinetron. Jadi, keduanya berbeda latar belakang sejarah dan situasi. Jadi hasil akhir akan beda.

Soekarno mungkin tetap bisa jadi rujukan dalam situasi tertentu, ketika harus bersikap.
Salam
MDD I AR84

Hhmmm….pikiran yg terlalu sempit bung NH ! dan tidak relevan dengan moral yg terkandung pada kutipan : “Jangan Dengarkan Asing..!!”

Alm Bung Karno lbh pantas menangis bila anak bangsa ini (bukan hanya anak biologis nya)..lupa dan tidak mau belajar dari sejarah bangsanya !!
Salam
DBP-AR76

wah, saya kali ini berbeda pendapat dengan om Danil,
tidak boleh dong dibedakan!
kalau begitu Soekarno tidak konsisten, masa anak2 kandungnya sendiri saja dia tidak bisa menurunkan idealismenya?

untuk rekan Donni BP,
anda bisa saja beda pendapat dengan saya, dan tidak perlu langsung lompat mengambil kesimpulan saya berpikiran sempit!
kalau anda memaksakan, disini jelas bahwa anda yang berpikiran sempit.
lagian di artikel dibawah, banyak sekali loncatan kesimpulan yang tidak berdasarkan fakta.
apakah rekan Donni BP tahu, ketika mau memproklamasikan Kemerdekaan Soekarno itu takut dan hampir tidak jadi?
untuk saja rekan2 pemuda saat itu Syahrir dan beberapa kawannya nekat menculik Soekarno dan Hatta, dan memaksa mereka untuk
segera memproklamirkan kemerdekaan, sehingga kita jadi merayakan kemerdekaan 17 agustus.

kalau mau tetap memuja soekarrno, sila rekan Doni BP lihat tuh jutaan orang yang mati sia-sia hanya karena egoisme seorang Soekarno.
dan coba anda tanyakan Megawati dan anak2 Soekarno yang lain, mereka ada ga menghargai keturunan jutaan orang yang meninggal
karena membela Soekarno?
berikan saya bukti nyata satu saja.

Dek Natal,
Kita tau sebagai presiden, Soekarno itu kan sibuk sekali. Sibuk urusan kerjaan dan sibuk urusan “lain2”. Jadi anak2 tdk terperhatikan dgn intensif. Diserahkan ke penjaga anak dan Fatmawati yg juga mungkin sibuk.

Berbeda dengan Soekarno, oleh Nehru, bapaknya, Indira Gandhi kemana2 diajak terus di dalam dan luar negeri sehingga dia bisa intens berdiskusi dan belajar dari bapaknya.

Kalau kita lihat Soekarno sebagai pembaca buku yg hebat, sementara Mega hobinya nonton sinetron, kan kelihatan ada kebiasaan yg tdk diwariskan oleh Soekarno kepada Megawati.

Cmiiw
Salam
MDD I AR84

Berdasarkan keterangan orang yang pernah dekat dengan Soekarno, beliau
menitipkan pendidikan anak-anaknya kepada teman-temannya karena alasan
tidak punya waktu, tapi anak dari ibu Fatmawati lebih banyak menerima
pendidikan dari bu Fatmawati. Jadi tidak ada di antara anak-anak
Soekarno mewarisi pemikiran beliau.
Mas Natal H, sebaiknya membaca sejarah yang lebih mendalam kalau tidak
salah, Syahrir juga memproklamirkan satu negara di Cirebon beberapa
hari sebelum 17 Agustus 1945 tapi tidak disambut masyarakat Hindia
Belanda, dan menjadi Perdana Menteri 14 November 1945 sebagai hasil
perundingan Soekarno-Hatta dengan Sekutu terkait dengan peristiwa
pertempuran Surabaya 10 November 1945. UUD1945 tidak ada jabatan
Perdana Menteri, Soekarno mengobankan konstitusi untuk menghindari
pertumpahan darah, pertanyaannya…Sutan Syahrir mewakili siapa?…ini
sejarah mas.
Pemuda yang dipimpin Soekarni semangatnya memang luar biasa tetapi
kematangan berpikir membentuk negara belum setaraf dengan tokoh2 yang
lebih senior.
Membaca sejarah jangan hanya dari satu versi

Didiek P(M79)

a. Jangan melupakan sejarah
Mas Natal adalah orang yang : “Tidak melupakan sejarah”

Ketika terjadi krisis ekonomi di 1900 an, terjadi perang dunia pertama.
Ketika terjadi krisis ekonomi di 1900 an, terjadi perang dunia kedua.
Ketika terjadi hyper inflasi di Jerman, maka ada berjuta orang mati, Yahudi beberapa juta, dan Rusia 20 juta.

Kalau saja Mas Natal lahir 10 tahun sebelum Sukarno, Mas Natal bisa mengingatkan Sukarno pada hal itu, sehingga tragedi itu tidak terjadi.
Sejarah telah dilupakan, maka apa yang terjadi di Eropa terjadilah di persada tercinta. Tepat seperti ramalan Edmund Burke : “Siapa melupakan sejarah, akan terkutuk untuk mengulanginya”.

Tapi Mas Natal lahir sesudah Sukarno, sayang sekali.

b. Ingat yang positip, tapi ingat juga yang negatip -> supaya tidak terulang.
Saya sering merasa sedih, karena dengan membesarkan Sukarno, implicit kita mengkerdilkan orang lain seperti : Syahrir, Mawardi dkk. Tapi bukan itu saja, banyak orang lain juga terkerdilkan, ojo ngono Mas. Dulu Sukarno janji akan bergerilya bila Belanda menyerang, yang terjadi : menyerah. Padahal yang saya dengar : Dukungan international waktu itu sedang kuat-kuatnya. Kalau Sukarno ke hutan bergerilya, ada kemungkinan lebih sedikit korban jatuh, sebelum Belanda bisa dipaksa ke meja perundingan.

Ingat Sukarno juga yang mendukung romusha, sementara di Jogya Sri Sultan bisa mencegah (untuk daerahnya saja).

Semua pemimpin dunia melakukan kesalahan, itu tidak mengurangi kadar kepahlawanan mereka. Tapi diluar negeri itu tidak dilupakan.

Kitapun demikian, yang positip -> dibuang dll jangan dilupakan, yang negatippun jangan dilupakan, sebab : “Siapa melupakan sejarah, akan terkutuk untuk mengulanginya”.

Rgds
SH KI68

Tanpa menafikan pendapat Mas Danil, dan Mas Ahmad, saya sangat terkesan dengan komentar Mas Natal ……..
> kalau saya sih, sudah lupakan saja tentang nostalgia tentang Soekarno,
Komentar Mas Natal ini tidak mengurangi jasa-jasa Soekarno sedikitpun, satu miligrampun. Menghentikan nostalgia itu tidak mengurangi kebesarannya. Tapi menghentikan nostalgia itu, bisa membebaskan kita untuk maju menjadi bangsa besar.

Saya agak malu, tapi dulupun saya mengkultuskan Soekarno. Di Amerika, suatu ketika saya diundang makan, atas pertanyaan tuan rumah saya berkata : Bahwa di tahun 1962-64 an, terjadi kesulitan ekonomi di Indonesia, karena negara Barat memblokade Indonesia karena tidak suka Sukarno. Orang tuanya yang ikut mendengar : Dari mana saya tahu bahwa Indonesia di blokade ? Saya tidak bisa jawab.

Dia mengatakan pada saya :
– Saat itu dia ada di Indonesia, dia juga mengatakan : ” it happened under my very eyes” – itu terjadi benar-benar dimuka mata saya.
– Saat itu Asia bukanlah kawasan penting, bahkan termasuk S’pore. Indonesia adalah cuma a blip in the radar screen. Bahkan orang lebih mengenal Bali (dia mengatakan sambil tersenyum : “Even Bali was greater than Indonesia”.)
– Didunia ini tidak ada negara bisa memberi makan rakyatnya tanpa investasi (modal-kapital), bahkan Amerika dan Inggris (waktu itu 75 % GDP adalah Amerika, meskipun raksasa ekonomi, Amerika tetap butuh investasi untuk memberi makan rakyat).
– Didunia ini investasi pergi ke tempat yang dia bisa menghasilkan dan aman.
– Jadi ketika Sukarno mengambil alih perusahaan asing, apakah logis mengharapkan modal datang ke Indonesia ?
– Ketika tidak ada lagi modal/kapital datang, maka nasibnya akan sama dengan negara manapun yang tidak disambangi kapital : bangkrut.

Lebih penting untuk membangun negara yang maju dan makmur, melampaui yang dicita-citakan Sukarno, dari pada bertindak seperti Sukarno.

Sukarno adalah pahlawan. Tapi kalau kita bertindak seperti Sukarno, maka hasilnya akan seperti ketika ada Sukarno. Kita ingat inflasi sudah 1000 % sebelum ada G30S sebelum ABRI bergerak menumpasnya.

Setelah makan saya tanya : enak sekali daging apa ini. Ternyata daging kalkun, yang membuat saya tertegun. Mereka makan kalkun di Thanksgiving Day. Butuh beberapa Thanksgiving untuk bisa menikmati nikmatnya daging kalkun sambil membayangkan binatangnya.

Dari Kompas kita tahu, bahwa kini Amerika akan lebih banyak aktip di Asia, jadi bahkan setelah 20 tahun NIC berkembang, baru sekarang Amerika menoleh ke Asia. Jadi kata ayah teman saya benar. Melihat kini tidak ada satu negara pun yang tidak mengundang modal, maka apa yang dikatakannya, yang dulu kedengaran aneh, kini merupakan mainstream pemikiran ekonomi pembangunan.

Mudah-mudahan kita terus maju. Kalau melihat kebelakang nanti kita kesandung.

Mas Natal, saya betul-betul mengapresiasi pendapat Anda yang berisi cara hidup yang hakiki -> melihat kedepan dan maju terus, kalau perlu berlari.

Rgds
SH KI68

Benar sekali Mas Didiek,
saya sepakat melihat sejarah harus dari berbagai versi, oleh karena saya telah membaca berbagai versi baik sumber dalam negeri
dan sumber luar negeri makanya saya berani mengambil kesimpulan, soekarno itu seorang yang egois.
apalagi ditambah anak2nya sekarang yang menjual kharisma Bapaknya untuk memenangkan jabatan dengan dalih partai wong cilik,
tapi entah wong cilik mana yang mereka perjuangkan setelah berkuasa, dan sialnya dominan wong cilik kita tidak bisa berpikir cerdas.

mereka (yang dikatakan wong cilik) hanya tahu karena dulu Soekarno itu proklamator seolah2 semua yang berhubungan dengan Soekarno sudah hebat banget. bahkan dulu Soekarno mempunyai banyak istri pun bayak rakyat memakluminya.

Coba sekarang kalau ada pemimpin yang mencoba-coba dengan terang2an menyebar sperma dimana-mana (semisal di setiap daerah yang dikunjunginya), saya yakin pasti semua rakyat sekarang langsung menghujat pemimpin itu.
beberapa tahun lalu sekaliber AA Gym pun langsung menurun popularitasnya begitu menikahir wanita lain.

zaman sudah berubah, tidak usah terlalu berharap nostalgia kejayaan soekarno kembali.

yang saya lihat penulis artikel ini (Anton Dwisunu Hanung Nugrahanto) pun tidak ada menyebutkan sumber dalam setiap tulisannya tentang Soekarno atau sejarah lainnya dalam sejarah, seolah2 dia ada disana disetiap tulisannya.

Natal

Mas Natal,
Rasanya setiap dari kita punya kelemahan. Saya kira yang disampaikan
sampeyan adalah sisi2 negatif dari beliau (dan anak turunnya ?).

Yang coba saya sampaikan adalah bahwa banyak cita/ide2 beliau yang
relevan sampai sekarang. Tentang kemandirian, harga diri dll, yang sudah
jarang kita dapat dari pemimpin kita kini. Barangkali itu mengingatkan
kita bahwa banyak hal2 positif yang bisa kita bangun bersama.

Hal2 negatif kita mari kita tutupi juga, bersama.

salam,
— jadid 94

Maaf br merespon..soal sempit atau lebar tidak ada konotasi benar atau salah disana, dan saya hanya merujuk pada tajuk dari perbincangan kita mengenai SWF…selanjutnya saya mungkin juga sempit dgn hanya ingin mengatakan bahwa adalah penting untuk mempelajari gagasan2 kebangsaan yg diusung oleh Bung Karno mengenai hal tsb.

Tentu saja semua orang termasuk BK punya sisi kemanusian lain….BK, Mega atau bahkan Rocker pun juga manusia !

Salam
Sent from Donni B.Prihandana Mobile !
yap benar Mas Furkan, karena penulis artikelnya sudah menyampaikan semua hal yang positif tentang Soekarno..
saya harus sampaikan juga yang negatif, agar berimbang informasinya.
agar jangan seolah-olah Soekarno itu tidak punya hal negatif.

Natal
Teman2 Alumni,
Saya mohon agar perdebatan ttg Pemimpin2 yg telah lalu, apalagi yg telah berpulang, dibatasi pada hal2 yg baik saja.
Semua manusia pasti punya kelemahan, dan semua pemimpin pasti punya kelebihan.
Marilah ambil hikmahnya.

Semoga berkenan,
Salam
Iwan PP

Benar pak Subakat,
Soekarno itu tdk pas menjadi pemimpin pada masa membangun. Dalam seri Prisma edisi Manusia Dalam Kemelut Sejarah, Soekarno digambarkan sebagai sosok yang “tergila2” oleh revolusi. Darah dan jiwanya adalah revolusi. Situasi kemerdekaan dari Jepang dan Belanda memungkinkan munculnya karakter pemimpin seperti ini pada masa itu.

Sayangnya dimasa damai rakyat tdk butuh revolusi. Rakyat butuh makan, butuh rumah. Urbanisasi yang masif terjadi. Untuk itu rakyat butuh pendapatan. Butuh kerja. Sayang ini tdk terjadi. Inflasi besar2an 1000 persen. Utk itu pemerintah cetak uang, dan rakyat makin miskin barengan.
Salam
MDD I AR84

Mas Natal,
Tidak ada yang bisa menggantikan Soekarno sebagai proklamator dan
presiden I Republik Indonesia, ini sejarah. Saya tidak pernah
mengambil urusan pribadi seorang tokoh apalagi para nabi, mereka
manusia kalau haus perlu minum, kalau lapar perlu makan, kalau
mengantuk perlu tidur,dsb. sekali lagi mereka manusia bukan superman.
Yang perlu diambil dari mereka pemikiran dan perjuangannya untuk
kemanusiaan.
Saya bisa menjadi manusia seperti sekarang ini karena belajar dari
orang tua dan dari orang yang lebih dulu punya ilmu dan pengalaman,
kalau tidak saya sudah musnah ditelan alam ini.

Didiek
Ambil saja content pendapat masing2 yg ada benarnya juga, dan tidak terganggu dg “persepsi negatif” opini org lain. Filosopinya adalah 7 org buta dan gajah. Semua benar dan semua salah. Ambil yg benarnya maka kita akan mendapat gajah nya.
Adi Irianto

>>>>>>kalau saya sih, sudah lupakan saja tentang nostalgia tentang Soekarno,
betul Soekarno adalah masa lalu. namun di tengah mindernya sebagian
pemimpin dan masyarakat kita terhadap asing, beberapa sisi positif
dari Soekarno masih relevan. Seperti halnya kita, SBY, Soeharto, dll;
sebagai manusia punya banyak kelemahan. Dan kita tahu Soekarno telah
membuat keputusan2 kontroversial dalam sejarah. Dalam postingan copas
dari link yg diberikan mas Furkan tsb, sy tekankan judul ttg Sovereign
Wealth Fund, yg waktu itu sudah dipikirkan oleh Soekarno. Modal Jepang
bisa masuk ke Asia Tenggara, Middle East, bahkan Amerika tentu karena
mereka bekerja keras dan setelah sekian lama menghasilkan SWF untuk
bisa membeli perusahaan asing atau menanamkan investasi baru. Dan kini
negara tetangganya Korea Selatan mulai mengikuti jejak Jepang, bahkan
di dunia konstruksi mulai mengimbangi Jepang, karena mereka telah
dengan sabar membangun kapital melalui grup Samsung, Hyundai, dll.
Project2 besar di Indonesia pun sekarang dimainkan oleh Korea, seperti
RFCC Cilacap dan MCL Cepu.

Seperti pernah dituliskan oleh salah seorang mantan karyawan Total,
bahwa dulu blok mahakam menyumbang sekitar separo pendapatan Total
dari seluruh dunia, yang dengan keuntungan tersebut, mereka telah
membuat SWF untuk menancapkan bisnisnya di Afrika. Negri serumpun kita
Malaysia pun melakukan hal yg sama. Mereka dengan cerdik tetap menjaga
iklim investasi namun di sisi lain tetap memaksimalkan potensi lokal,
melindungi dan mendorong perusahaan lokal untuk tumbuh, dan memberi
kesempatan semaksimal mungkin karyawan lokal untuk berpartisipasi dan
mengembangkan kompetensinya. Walaupun perusahaan asing, posisi2
strategis tetap dijabat oleh orang lokal, dan mereka bisa menekan
orang asing, tidak nunduk2, minder, dan hormat secara belebihan
terhadap bule2 seperti banyak terjadi terhadap pejabat maupun
negosiator2 kita. Beberapa contoh contoh yg bikin ngurut dada,
rancangan undang2 anti terorisme pun harus dipresentasikan ke parlemen
australia. Pesawat2 TNI AU F-16 bekas USA tidak bisa menembak pesawat
USA yg seenaknya mondar-mandir udara indonesia dari pangkalan militer
mereka di Darwin karena di-lock sama mereka.

>>>>>>>Dari mana saya tahu bahwa Indonesia di blokade ? Saya tidak bisa jawab. Dia mengatakan pada saya : Saat itu dia ada di Indonesia, dia juga mengatakan : ” it happened under my very eyes” –

Di dunia kerja, khususnya konstruksi migas, kita banyak mendapati
posisi2 yg bisa ditempati oleh orang indonesia misalnya engineer,
designer, dll banyak diisi oleh pemain antah berantah dari negri
india, pihiliphina dan sepertinya tanpa ada kontrol yg berarti dari
depnaker maupun BP Migas walaupun sudah ada peraturan local content.
Bukan sekali dua kali kami mendapati kecurangan bule2 hitam yang suka
mengklaim hasil kerja karyawan indonesia, melempar kesalahan, dll…
it happened under our very eyes…

Dalam dunia pertanian, baru sebulan yang lalu kita baca atau saksikan
berita tentang masuknya bawang impor dari China ke sentra2 produksi
bawang di Jawa. Entah, apakah ini juga beralasan untuk menjaga iklim
investasi asing dengan membunuh manhours para petani kita, saya kurang
paham. Kebalikannya sy ambil contoh tetangga yang akan menjual jasa
dan produknya ke China sangat sulit dan dihambat. Namun kita saksikan
banyak investasi asing masuk ke China, tidak lain salah satu fakornya
adalah banyak tenaga kerja yang kompeten di sana, selain juga murah.
Dan China pun mengembangkan SWF, terbukti kini investasi mereka ada di
mana2. NOC mereka menjadi pemain kelas dunia seperti petrochina dan
CNOOC.

Katanya volume ekonomi Indonesia 51% asia tenggara, namun ternyata
banyak sumbangan ekonomi dari sektor tambang yg jor-joran
dieksploitasi dengan menjaga investasi asing dan tentunya banyak
memakai tenaga kerja, vendor, dan konsultan asing; untuk batu bara,
kabarnya cadangan indonesia hanya 3% cadangan dunia, cmiiw dan jauh
lebih sedikit dari China yg masih menyimpan cadangannya.

Soekarno adalah masa lalu. Tetapi di tengah syubhat2 para pejabat yang
takut lifting minyak turun, takut investasi asing nggak mau masuk,
takut undang2 produk DPR nggak sesuai selera asing, dll; di sisi lain
melupakan cucuran keringat petani garam, petani bawang, petani buah2an
lokal, dan lupa pula untuk mendorong kemandirian bangsa untuk menjadi
negara agraris yg mampu memproduksi beras yang cukup untuk rakyatnya,
menjadi negara manufaktur/produsen, dll… maka pemikiran Soekarno
untuk mendorong kemandirian bangsa kiranya masih relevan bagi kita
semua.

salam hormat dari junior,
ahmad m97
wah, banyak yang alergi membicarakan hal negatif di milis ini ya?
semua senangnya membicarakan yang positif2 saja ya?
pada lupa ya kalau tidak ada hal negatif, hal positif pun tidak akan pernah ada?

wah, kalau begini, memang enak jadi pemimpin di Indonesia ya, kalau ada hal positifnya, disarankan diomongin sampai anak cucu,
tapi kalau hal negatifnya tidak boleh diomongin, tabu untuk diperbincangkan,
dan langsung mode pengertian dan pemaaf lalu pelupanya ditonjolkan, dan selalu alasan setiap manusia ada kelemahannya dikedepankan…

pantesan sajah para pemimpin Indonesia pada tetap senang Koruptor ya, karena kalau mereka korupsi, itu kan kekurangan mereka sebagai manusia dan mereka tahu rakyatnya bahkan yang para alumni ITB pasti memaafkan mereka karena mereka juga punya kelemahan
yaitu senang korupsi.
seorang Soekarno menebar sperma dimana-mana, ohh itu kan Soekarno seorang manusia juga, jadi diterima sajah itu lumrah Soekarno juga seorang laki-laki, padahal banyak tuh pemimpin laki-laki yang benar dan bisa tidak menebar sperma dimana-mana.

pantes sajah kasus Pembunuhan massal oleh Soeharto dan rezimnya tidak pernah disidangkan, karena ternyata rakyatnya sangat pemaaf,
pemimpinnya membunuh jutaan orang pun bisa diterima sebagai kekurangan seorang pemimpin, dan begitu gampangnya dimaafkan dan dilupakan… (saya tidak tahu apakah jutaan orang keturunan dari orang2 yang dibunuh Soeharto akan bisa menerima pemikiran ini)

nanti 2014 pun kalau Abu Rizal Bakrie mencalonkan diri jadi Presiden, akan banyak yang sudah melupakan tragedi lumpur lapindo,
mereka sudah melupakan banyak orang yang rumahnya tertutup lumpur dan terpaksa eksodus. dan semua akan bilang,
dia kan manusia punya kelemahan juga… (saya tidak tahu apakah rakyat yang rumahnya kena imbas akan bisa menerima itu..)

ohh ternyata….ohh ternyata… benarlah rakyat Indonesia ini begitu pemaaf dan pelupa…

Natal

 

Gimana kalo kita membahas pendapat dan pemikirannya saja, bukan orangnya? Kita perdebatkan ide-idenya, serta relevansinya thd kondisi bangsa saat ini.. Sebatas itu pun nanti kita juga akan bisa banyak perdebatan, pro-kontra, tanpa harus masuk ke wilayah privat para tokoh.

Salam,
AM

Saya kira mbak Natal gak tahunya mas Natal tah.
Kami wong cilik hanya mengalami president negeri BBM ini hanya mulai jamannya mbah Harto saja.

Mengenai sejarah bung Karno yang kami ketahui adalah bahwa beliau adalah president pertama RI dan proklamator negeri BBM ini, kami baru tahu scandal dengan banyak cewe cantik-cantik ya di milist ini, ini membuktikan bahwa pada dasarnya cewe cantik akan tertarik pada orang pinter dan wajah gak begitu mengecewakan. (saya kira dik Tara masuk katagori ini, cuman memang seharusnya dik Tara ganti julukan dulu).

Kami kira kalu negeri BBM ini berpikir positif maka sebaiknya para pemimpin negeri BBM ini pertama kali harus ingat sejarah, khususnya sejarahnya bung Karno, tetapi mestinya bukan masalah scandal cewe yang di ‘publikasikan’ mas Natal, tetapi sejarah bagaimana pinter dan cerdasnya pejabat-pejabat jaman bung Karno untuk memposisikan negeri BBM ini di mata dunia, sehingga seolah – olah bisa mengatur para negara ‘kaptalis’ tersebut, sehingga kalau rekan2 disini maih ingat bahwa bung Karno pernah membuat gerakan non blok dan menyelenggarakn konferensi Asia Afrika di Bandung.

Kami justru sekarang ini agak khawatir karena yang di contoh oleh pemimpin negeri BBM ini adalah bu ‘Waljinah’ yaitu menciptakan lagu lagu, kalau kita berfikir secara engineering, alangkah mahalnya ‘man hour’ yang terpakai.

Salam sinergi,
Wong cilik yang gak hoby ciptakan lagu.
Mas Ahmad dan rekan sekalian,

Terlepas dari plus minus SWF, contoh2 yg dipaparkan disini sebagian
besar justru bukanlah SWF. Kata Souvereign merujuk kepada pemilikan
oleh Negara/Pemerintah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_wealth_fund

Salam
ITb.EL76

Mas Natal dan Mas Furkan,

Edmund Burke mengatakan : Siapa melupakan sejarah akan terkutuk dengan mengulanginya. Kalau terlupakan saja sudah mendera kita, apa yang terjadi kalau ditutupi ?. Menutupi sebagian dari sejarah, akibatnya lebih dahsyat dari melupakan sejarah.

Saya jadi ingat Umar bin Khatab yang di “protes” karena dianggap menerima kain lebih dari ummat Islam yang lain. Waktu itu tidak ada riwayat yang mencela penyebaran berita itu, dan sikap inilah yang di adopt oleh negara-negara maju saat ini : Amerika, Jerman, Austria, Inggris, Perancis dll dll. bahkan difasilitasi dan dilindungi oleh undang undang dan tradisi.

Ini adalah bagian dari kontrol dan pressure yang diperlukan dalam demokrasi dan jangan dikaitkan dengan : “Mikul duwur mendem jero” yang relevant dalam kehidupan personal, atau ghibah dalam moralitas Islam. Barang siapa ingin memimpin rakyat, maka dia harus rela kehidupannya diketahui rakyat. Supaya rakyat bisa memilih pemimpin yang terbersih.

Dulu jutaan orang meninggal, mayat terapung-apung di sungai, yang sesungguhnya merupakan ulangan dari sejarah di Jerman. Saya barangkali kelompok saksi mata terakhir yang sisa : dengan amat sangat memohon kepada seluruh rakyat, untuk mengenali sejarah setutuhnya, agar hal itu tidak terulang lagi. Dengan populasi kini yang 240 juta, maka korban waktu itu setara dengan tujuh setengah juta orang meninggal. Siapa ingin hal ini terulang ?

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SH KI68
Mas Iwan,
Untuk yang berkampung di Jakarta, tentu mudah untuk tidak kuatir akan terulangnya sejarah itu.

Bagi saya yang berkampung di Ngrombo dan besar di Surabaya, melihat korban-korban mengapung di sungai, tentu punya kewajiban moral agar hal itu tidak terulang lagi. Caranya : mengenang sejarah seutuhnya.

Bukankah orang Inggris tidak menyembunyikan kekejaman Elizabeth I terhadap saudaranya dll. saya yakin, keterbukaan orang Inggris inilah merupakan salah satu sebab mengapa Inggris menjadi kekuatan dunia selama lebih dari 200 tahun (Inggris sendiri lebih dari 900 tahun).

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SH KI68
Bung Natal yg baik,saya setuju dgn apa yang anda tulis itu, kita belajar sejarah adalah supaya kesalahan2 yg dibuat pimpinan kita dimasa lalu jangan terulang lagi. Filosofi “mikul duwur mendem jero” itu bagus tapi sering salah kaprah pemakaiannya.
Betapa banyak kesalahan fatal yg dampaknya sampai sekarang sulit diperbaiki.

Seperti hancur nya disiplin tata tertib pelaksanaan birokrasi pemerintahan di awal kemerdekaan. Karena Sukarno yg bangga dg rasa nasionalis nya, meng hindari semua yg berbau Belanda.

Pemanfaatan dana pampasan perang dari Jepang yg di usulkan M. Hatta dan Sumitro Joyo H digunakan buat pendidikan dan pertanian, Sukarno menolak nya, malahan dananya digunakan utk membangun proyek mercusuar spt: Istora, Monas, Hotel Indonesia. Jembatan Semanggi dll. Sedangkan pelaksana pembangunannya dari Jepang semua, uang nya balik lagi ke Jepang. Strategi ini berhasil setelah Sukarno mendapatkan Ratnasaridewi yg memang sengaja di perkenalkan kepada bung Karno. Padahal waktu itu rakyat masih banyak yg butahuruf dan kelaparan.

Akhirnya ide kedua bengawan. ekonomi itu malahan di adopsi oleh Malaysia yg saat itu di perangi Soekarno (Sumitro lari/migrasi ke Malaysia), Malaysia yg 12 tahun belakangan merdeka dari kita secara pelahan lahan tapi pasti maju dgn sekolah gratis dari pemerintahnya dan menjadi penghasil karet serta kelapa sawit terbesar di dunia.

Pada jaman era orde baru ceritanya lain lagi para tapol banyak dilibatkan orang2 yg tdk berdosa di katakan sebagai antek komunis hingga mereka turun temurun dianggap seperti hantu yg harus di habiskan.
Ekonomi kayaknya maju, tapi bertimbun hutang karena azaz pembangunan nya lbh banyak bersifat nepotisme, semua proyek besar di kangkangi oleh klg dan kroni Suharto. Milyaran dolar uang pinjaman di curi mereka dan di alihkan jadi hutang negara.

Jaman Reformasi korupsi jadi primadona produk nya, berbagai lembaga anti korupsi di bentuk, tapi korupsi bukannya surut malah menjadi jadi.semua instansi Korupsi mulai dari Kementerian, Partai, Kejaksaan, Polri, DPR. Antasari yg jadi andalan buat pemberantasan korupsi. dijebak dan dipenjarakan. Bukti forensik dan balistik yang benar malahan di abaikan oleh Hakim,
Kasus korupsi yang penyelesaian nya tdk jelas hilang menunggu masyarakat lupa dan di maafkan spt : BLBI, Bank Century, Pajak, Rekening liar departemen, Rekening gendut Polisi, Banggar DPR, sekarang yg lg hangat pengadaan simulasi SIM di Polri. Kalau sejarah hanya untuk dibaca saja dan tdk perlu di bahas negatif positifnya maka sebaiknya disimpan saja di perpustakaan.

Selamat berpuasa
Salam A.M / GL 72
Terima kasih kembali …

Nah sesuai judul thread, coba kita lihat kaitan SWF dengan pak Karno.
Selama kepemimpinannya adakah suatu masa dimana Pemerintah RI:

1. “…have budgetary surpluses and have little or no international
debt. This excess liquidity is not always possible or desirable to
hold as money or to channel into immediate consumption.” ?

2. Lalu atas perintah pak Karno uang berlebih itu ditaruh sbg
“.. financial assets such as stocks, bonds, property, precious metals
or other financial instruments. Sovereign wealth funds invest
globally. Most SWFs are funded by foreign exchange assets” ?

3. Dan dengan demikian pak Karno menempatkan NKRI berperilaku sama dgn
para kapitalis dunia?

Menurut saya jawaban untuk ketiganya adalah TIdak.
Namun ketika itu saya hanya murid Taman Kanak Kanak.
Mungkin ada alumni yang sudah mampu mengamati lebih lengkap dan obyektif.

Monggo silahkan dikomentari
ITb.EL76

One of the most famous maxims of Deng Xiaoping, dating back to the years before the Cultural Revolution, states that “It doesn’t matter whether a cat is white or black, as long as it catches mice.” In other words, he did not worry too much about whether a policy was capitalist or socialist as long as it improved the economy.
(This statement came to stand in opposition to the ideas of class struggle projected into economic relations, the latter being epitomized in a phrase “a socialist train coming with a delay is better than the capitalist one that comes on time”).
China’s phenomenal economic growth largely owes its success to this pragmatism of Deng Xiaoping’s theory. The task faced by Deng was twofold:
(1) to promote modernization, while
(2) preserving the ideological unity (of CPC), and its control of the difficult process of reforms….
Mestinya pemimpin Indonesia ada yang berani tegas seperti mendiang Deng, dan konsisten melakukannya tanpa belak-belok mengikuti angin politik seperti yang kita alami, sebagaimana pesan almarhum Covey: “The main thing is keeping the main thing the main thing”
KS

Mas Ahmad mendapatkan intinya : semangat merdekanya -> yang harus di dapatkan. Dijaman saling bergantungan ini, mungkin padanannya adalah : daya saing (competitive edge).

Juga kalimat kedua Mas Ahmad : Seperti halnya SBY, Soeharto, dll…… Benar sekali, bukan saja Soekarno, tapi juga SBY, Soeharto harus dilihat secra super-objective, diketahui seluruh baik dan seluruh buruknya dan diambil suri teladannya.

Salah satu contoh usaha untuk belajar sejarahnya : Pemimpin pemberontakan terhadap Belanda yang paling “berat”, karena menguras dana juga, adalah Diponegoro. Saya terkejut ketika mendapati, ternyata Diponegoro ketika menuju pembuangan, perwira Belanda mendapati dia mengaji : Buku mengenai Revolusi Perancis dan mengenai Budha. Tapi saya juga terkejut membaca surat selebaran yang dikirim oleh Diponegoro kepada para penguasa daerah. Jadi salah sekali, kalau kita menganggap Diponegoro adalah pangeran yang kadar “intelektualnya biasa-biasa saja, yang marah, karena tanahnya diambil Belanda”.

Ada juga seorang bangsawan di Makasar, yang sudah mendalami astronomi, kita harus tahu segala sisinya. Sisi buruk dan sisi baiknya, agar kalau mempunyai usaha kita bisa memprofile : “calon direktur macam apa yang kita inginkan untuk mengendalikan perusahaan..”

Sejarah, a.l. sejarah Diponegoro ini penting bagi alumni yang ingin menjadi pemimpin, bagaimana mengadakan suatu gerakan yang masive. Ini tentu hanya bisa berguna bila sejarah itu lengkap, dari segala sisi.

Sejarah yang sudah ditutupi sebagian, bagi bangsa Indonesia, nilainya tak lebih dari hikayat si Malin Kundang.

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SH KI68
Jawaban surat Mas Ahmad ini, sengaja saya pisahkan.

Barangkali cerita tahun 1989 ini bisa menjadi batu pijak.

Mula-mula di Gunanusa banyak sekali expat asing, dari white, Indian, Filipinos dll you name it. Tidak ada yang merasa heran, karena memang semuanya demikian waktu itu. Mid 80 an. Ketika saya disuruh mengelola, setelah melihat lihat buku keuangan, mata saya terbuka.

Karena anak buah tidak mau menterminate mereka, maka saya sendiri menterminate, hanya empat kali saya melangkahi wewenang anak buah, ini salah satunya.

Client ribut, Jim Sharp, Vice President Arco Indonesia mengatakan dengan bijaksana : “Mr. Hadi this is not about their nationality this is about their expertise. Like Indonesian, not all American has the expertise needed. What happens if the project ……..”. Biasanya kalau tidak sedang dongkol, dia menyebut saya simply “Mike”. Btw, expat yang sangat bijaksana dan courteous salah satunya Jim Sharp lainnya adalah A.R. Wilson dari projek secondary recovery Caltex (sekarang Chevron).

Pemegang saham ribut : “……. kamu tahu kan, dendanya 0.1 % sehari …….”

Bahkan buruh ribut, Mochtar rigger supervisor : “… Pak, apa (bangsa) kita bisa ……”.

Saya katakan pada mereka : “Saya tidak membabi buta. Tapi bagaimana saya bisa tidak percaya orang Indonesia tidak bisa men-sand blast ke SA 3.5, dan membandingkan kupon standart. dst. dst.

Bapak Iman Taufik akhirnya memberi persetujuan, sambil wanti-wanti : jangan sampai rugi (kalau rugi kan 60 % uangnya).

Akhirnya projek berjalan mulus dengan … all Indonesian tim…, kecuali seorang penyelam yang dipakai 3 jam.

Mungkin karena merasa berdosa telah memaki-maki saya, maka beberapa orang-orang Amerika, tidak mendenda saya meskipun ada dua projek terlambat 4 hari.

Saya merasa menjadi matang di Gunanusa, karena Bapak Iman Taufik memberi kepercayaan penuh. Alhamdulillah sesudah itu dari 4 trillion rupiah lebih projek (4 trillion rupiah nilai uang waktu itu), hanya bak-buk satu.

Jadi Mas Ahmad. Sekarang orang Indonesia sudah banyak sekali yang pinter, tapi sudah banyak sekali yang berpengalaman. Waktu itu yang orang Indonesia yang punya pengalaman hands-on (repeat hands-on) di fabrikasi platform lebih dari 3 tahun hanya ada dua. Dua-duanya alumni ITB.

Memimpin tim di Indonesia, sama peliknya dengan memimpin tim untuk pekerjaan yang sama di Kuwait, Abu Dhabi. Pasti tidak seminder waktu saya bekerja di tahun 1970 an. Tahun 1963 kita masih mendatangkan tukang las dari Amerika, tahun 1979 an saya masih ketemu tukang las dari Perancis.

Karena sebab diats itu, saya yakin seyakin-yakinnya bahwa sekarang ( s e k a r a n g bukan tahun 1979) banyak sekali orang Indonesia yang mempunyai kapabilitas sama dengan orang Asing, dan sudah pantas sekali menerima gaji setara dengan orang asing. Sudah lebih dari 35 tahun saya prihatin, mengapa pengusaha Indonesia tidak mau memberi imbalan sama dengan mereka memberi imbalan pada orang Asing. Tentu saya juga menyadari bahwa banyak juga yang tidak pantas menerima imbalan, bukan hanya sebanyak orang asing, tapi bahkan tidak pantas menerima gaji sebanyak orang Indonesia yang lain.

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SH KI68

Mas Furkan, I am as young as I think I am.

Meskipun sudah bekerja sekian lama, I owe to myself untuk mengatakan, bahwa di mail list ini saya sering terkagum-kagum dengan pemikiran dari generasi sesudah saya. Terus terang saja, keluasan wawasan seperti ditunjukkan dalam mail list ini, dulu hanya ditekuni oleh sedikit orang saja. Mungkin merupakan bukti kebenaran hierarchy kebutuhan Maslow, dimana kita sekarang sudah mulai lepas dari keterikatan kita pada Empat F – Food, Fight, Flight.

Kelemahan Napoleon ada di banyak buku, karena itu flaw-nya diketahui secara luas. Namun semua orang Perancis menghormatinya, dan tidak satupun yang merendahkannya.

Begitulah yang akan terjadi, di Indonesia. Kita harus melihat sejarah as-a-matter-of-factly. Jangan ada yang meng-olok-olok bidak-catur-sejarah.

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SH KI68

Benar sekali pak Irwan, jawaban untuk ketiga pertanyaannya adalah TIDAK.

sedari awal saya baca artikel di link yang dikirim rekan Furkan ini,
terlihat sekali kesan melebih2kan dan meng-agung2-kan Soekarno, faktanya kan tidak seperti itu.
di artikel itu banyak sekali lompatan kesimpulan, tanpa disertai fakta.

saya halul yakin, banyak tokoh pemimpin Indonesia pada saat agustus 1945 yang jauh (atau minimal sama) lebih layak dari Soekarno untuk memproklamirkan kemerdekaan Indonesia.
lagian, kalau Jepang tidak menyerah ke Sekutu saat itu, Soekarno tidak akan berani kok memproklamirkan kemerdekaan,
wong Jepang sudah menyerah ajah, Soekarno tetap tidak berani, malah masih mau menunggu arahan dari Jepang.
untung ajah beberapa pemuda pada saat itu (Syahrir cs) nekat dan memaksa Soekarno dan Hatta untuk segera memproklamirkan kemerdekaan, untuk mengambil moment/kesempatan.

begitu ajah sih ketidaksetujuan saya.

oh iya, sekedar mengingatkan teman2 semua, bahwasanya saat ini penjajahan di Indonesia jauh lebih kejam dari jaman Jepang atau Belanda.
Banyak oknum ditjen pajak, pejabat2 pemerintahan mulai dari pejabat pusat, pejabat daerah, PNS biasa, tentara, polisi, anggota DPR dan DPRD,
mereka2 itu jauh lebih kejam dari penjajah Jepang dan Belanda.
secara de facto sebenarnya merekalah saat ini yang menjajah rakyat Indonesia.


Thank You and Best Regards,
Natal Hutabarat
Setuju sekali dengan Mas Natal, terutama alinea terakhir. Bahwa kini ada penjajahan gaya baru.

Hapusnya korupsi, hapusnya penjajahan gaya baru, dan demokrasi tidak akan jalan tanpa check & balance.

Check and balance tidak akan tumbuh tampa keterbukaan, baik masa kini maupun masa lalu.

Karena itu marilah kita bersyukur masih ada jurnalis seperti Faridj – yang meninggal di Jogya, dan yang juga meninggal di Ambon (dari Tempo)

Kalau tidak bisa lari maju, kita beringsut maju juga tidak apa -> the show must go on.

Rgds
SH KI68
Mengapa masih ada korupsi ? Saya sudah lama berusaha mencari apa saja jawaban yang sudah diberikan dunia ilmu pengetahuan.

Pertama harus disadari bahwa : suatu traits statistically akan timbul di berbagai aspect kehidupan. Jadi apa yang dilakukan orang ketika menggambar di kertas akan muncul pula dalam kehidupan sehari-hari. Karena itu kita bisa berpegang pada – Personality Test. Max Pulver sudah mengadakan research extensive di penjara dan mendapatkan bahwa para orang tidak jujur mempunyai personality yang sama yang dipunyai oleh banyak orang jahat. Dengan kata lain, penjahat dibuat oleh traits yang serupa.

Demikian juga immorality : yang cenderung main perempuan pasti cenderung korupsi, yang cenderung tidak bisa menahan diri untuk mabok pasti tidak bisa menahan diri untuk main perempuan dll. Kalau Anda tidak percaya ini, Anda tidak boleh percaya pada Personality Test.

Kembali ke pertanyaan semula : Mengapa orang masih juga korupsi.
a. Seorang dosen psikologi Unpad memberi tahu (waktu memberi tahu masih mahasiswi) : seorang Freudian, akan bilang : karena ada pengalaman bawah sadar sebagai orang miskin yang terpaterikan. Ketika sudah kaya ini tidak berubah. Contohnya : Karena menjadi orang miskin dalam jangka waktu panjang, sesudah kaya tetap saja sulit tidur di hotel mewah”. Tapi pengalaman yang sama pada orang lain bisa membuatnya : “Harus tidur di hotel mewah (mekanisme pengingkaran)”. Ini teraplikasi juga pada korupsi, yang penyebabnya bukan hanya kemiskinan diwaktu kecil.

b. Seorang sosiolog, akan mengatakan, bahwa sebabnya adalah : … koruptor itu menyangka bahwa tindakannya tidak akan dicela masarakat….. Setiap orang tahu, bahwa kalau dia menyalahi harapan masarakat, maka masyarakat akan menghukumnya dengan mengucilkan,memarahi, mengolok-olok dll.

Kalau orang berfikir bahwa orang-orang berfikir untuk tidak menghukumnya karena korupsi, maka dia tidak akan segan korupsi, kalau ada kesempatan. Orang akan korupsi legal atau tidak, kalau dia melihat ada koruptor, atau penjudi, atau pemain perempuan menjadi ketua RT, menjadi ketua organisasi besar, menjadi tokoh masarakat. Kalau dia melihat itu, maka dia tidak butuh IQ tinggi untuk menyimpulkan bahwa seandainya korupsi, maka dia akan makin terhormat di masarakat.

c. Perspective lain : Saya pernah menyalin suatu buku. Menurut buku itu korupsi adalah tingkah laku (deportment), bukan sifat (trait). Kalau sifat yang membawa ke kejujuran besar, besar kemungkinan dia jadi jujur, kalau sifat yang membawa ke kecurangan besar, maka orang itu makin cenderung untuk korupsi.

Trait yang membawa kejujuran adalah :
1. clear – jelas, kalau teges tidak ngambang. Kita tahu apa maunya.
2. well balanced, poise and proportional dalam tingkah laku. Tidak terlalu ini atau terlalu itu. Atau anti ini dan anti itu
3. original – bisa dikenali, memakai aturan pemikiran pada porsi yang minimum tapi hasilnya tercapai. Sehingga bisa dikenali.
4. simple – tidak berlebihan ini any respect

Trait yang membawa ke immorality adalah
1. craving for luxury or power – keinginan tinggi untuk mewah dan berkuasa (cocok : politikus banyak yang kurang jujur)
2. love of risk and gambling – kesenangan untuk resiko dan judi (cocok dengan pengalaman kita sehari-hari)
3. self indulgence – memanjakan diri (suka kesenangan)
4. overpowering sensuality – sensuality nya mendominasi (suka “menikmati” (seks) berlebihan)
5. intemperence – tidak terkontrol, tidak tenang (tidak poise)
6. exaggerated acquisitiveness – tamak (sangat mengingini uang atau materi)
7. execessive materialism or ambition – sangat mengingini harta-benda atau ambisi
8. inconstancy – suka berubah/merubah keputusan
9. hypocricy – mengatakan mempunyai suatu standart moral, tapi tidak mengerjakannya
10. envy – iri terhadap orang lain.
11. aimlessness – tidak mempunyai tujuan hidup. Karena itu Wardah adalah untuk : Smart Women P u r p o s e f u l Life.
12. selfishness – hanya memikirkan manfaat untuk diri sendiri
13. laziness – kemalasan
14. indecisiveness – sering ada dalam keadaan tidak mempunyai keputusan, mengambang
15. prodigality – membelanjakan uang tanpa jemu dan extravagance
16. instability – tidak stabil, moodnya mudah berubah
17. weak will (menurut kamus will power adalah : control deliberately exerted to do something or to restrain one’s own impulses) – tidak mampu bertahan terhadap impulse
18. willfulness – having or showing a stubborn and determined intention to do as one wants, regardless of the consequences or effects – maunya sendiri
19. rebelliousness – showing a desire to resist authority, control, or convention – memberontak atau membangkang
20. anti social feelings – contrary to the laws and customs of society; devoid of or antagonistic to sociable instincts or practices – berlawanan dengan hukum, adat maupun naluri sosial yang berlaku di masarakat

Jadi menarik : baik weak will maupun willfulness, sama-sama menarik orang ke ketidak jujuran.

Jadi kejujuran itu sederhana, hanya ada 4 traits (terutama) yang menarik ke ethical/morally right/kejujuran. Padahal ada 20 traits yang menarik ke immorality/kejahatan/korupsi.

Anda bisa melihat dan menarik kesimpulan, mana pemimpin masa kini yang cenderung korupsi, mana yang tidak. Anda pun bisa mencocokannya dengan pemimpin masa lampau seperti : Napoleon dll. dan merasakan kebenarannya.

Dalam menjawab pertanyaan Mas Alma, saya sekedar menyampaikan, pasti bukan pemikiran saya sendiri.

Rgds
SH KI68
Pak Subakat, sedikit menambahkan..
Tentang trait tersebut, itulah jurus yang dilakukan Pak Kuntoro, baik sejak di PT. Tambang Timah hingga saat ini di UKP4.
Dan melihat KPK yang sekarang ini sangat disiplin, dugaan saya ini adalah sistem yang dikembangkan oleh Pak Erry (salah satu pimpinan KPK generasi pertama, mantan Direktur PT. Timah, yang bekerja bareng dengan Pak Kuntoro).

Tara
Mengapa masih ada korupsi? Jawabannya sederhana saja: karena bertemunya NIAT dan KESEMPATAN. Niat akan ada sepanjang masa, karena iblis penggoda selalu ada sepanjang masa. Hanya bisa dikendalikan oleh masing-masing individu. Akan tetapi kesempatan itu bisa dieliminir kalau ada sistim kontrol yang baik. Hanya bisa dilakukan kalau penyelenggara organisasi (pemerintah atau swasta) bisa merancang sistim yang bisa mencegah munculnya kesempatan untuk korupsi.

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Mungkin sudah saatnya manusia mengubah paradigma melawan iblis yang sudah dimulai
sejak masa Adam dan Hawa. Terbukti sangat sulit bagi sebagian besar manusia dalam
melawan iblis. Sementara Iblis yang pada jaman Nabi Adam mulai menggoda dan
menjerumuskan manusia ters meng update cara-cara dan metodenya, manusia tetap menggunakan
pola yang sama dalam melawa iblis. Iblis sampai jaman nabi-nabi selalu konseravtive dalam
membujuk dan menjerumuskan manusia, sementara sekarang Iblis cenderung kompromis dan
moderat serta realistis.

Contohnya pada masa lalu untuk mencari pesugihan harus ada ritual pengorbanan, pesugihan jaman
sekarang tidak mewajibkan pengorbanan (nyawa anak-istri/suami) di awal. Kalau dulu iblis selalu
membujuk manusia agar tidak beribadah, sekarang iblis malah memberi hiburan di TV. Kalau dulu
manusia tahu kalau iblis itu musuh , kalau sekarang manusia malah menganggap sebagai kawan.

Mari kita pikirkan strategi melawan iblis … atau kita bujuk saja iblis agar tidak menggoda kita, agar
malas menggoda, agar kehilangan motivasi menggoda manusia.

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Terima kasih penjelasannya mas Subakat…menarik, jadi sebenarnya intinya adalah integritas ya…yang memang sulit sekali karena 4F dari insting survival spesies manusia ini sebenarnya akan selalu ada di alam bawah sadar. Sejak lahir sebagai bayi tak berdaya dengan adanya insting ini bisa bertahan dan mencari rasa aman (secure). Menarik kalau melihat 4 traits morality itu harus diajarkan/dilatih sementara 20 traits immorality sepertinya alami yang mana saya pikir berasal dari pemenuhan kebutuhan 4F ini. Relevansinya dengan masyarakat kita sekarang adalah bagaimana melatih 4 traits dan mengsupresi 20 traits lainnya itu sementara anak-anak kita dipertontonkan dengan banyak bentuk KKN yang vulgar.

salam
alma
Memang sulit, tapi bisa diusahakan.

Kini di Amerika, Inggris dibanyak kota ada orang yang jual koran, tanpa ditunggu. Yang mau beli beri coin, ambil. Kalau ditempat lain, barangkali masukkan satu coin ambil 4 exemplar.

Ini merupakan tanda masarakat dengan tingkat ke-bisa dipercaya-an tinggi.

Tapi tidak dari dulu demikian. Kita bisa lihat “potrait” masarakat mereka dulu, dari novel-novel yang dikarang pada masa itu (juga dari lukisan-lukisan yang ada). Novel-novel Dickens (Inggris) dan Victor Hugo (mis : Les Miserables), menunjukkan bahwa dimasa lampau merekapun mempunyai pencoleng-pencoleng, preman-preman seperti kita saat ini.

Namun mereka tampaknya dari dulu, taat pada yang tertulis (aturan), ini terlihat dari diskusi antara si Polisi dan si Walikota dalam Les Miserables, dimana mereka berpegang pada aturan.

Jadi jangan putus asa. Bangsa kita akan menjadi besar. Amerika sudah meramalkan bahwa kita akan menjadi superpower sebentar lagi. Banyak dari Anda akan mengalaminya dihari tua.

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SH KI68
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salam
alma ta93
Betul sekali Mbak Alma.

Banyak orang asing yang tanya pada saya : mengapa banyak sekali pelanggaran (lalu lintas) yang dibiarkan. Di luar negeri dendanya merupakan pemasukkan untuk menyelenggarakan pemerintahan.

Dalam moralitas mereka, membiarkan kesalahan adalah suatu kesalahan.

Rgds
SH KI68
Soal mengapa orang melanggar aturan dan tidak sudah ada berbagai studi. Salah satu studi menarik soal ini saya attach nih. Mari kita diskusikan.
– BHM
Studi mengapa kita menipu:

Why (Almost) All of Us Cheat and Steal
June 18, 2012By GARY BELSKY

Behavioral economist Dan Ariely, who teaches at Duke University, is known as one of the most original designers of experiments in social science. Not surprisingly, the best-selling author’s creativity is evident throughout his latest book, The (Honest) Truth About Dishonesty. A lively tour through the impulses that cause many of us to cheat, the book offers especially keen insights into the ways in which we cut corners while still thinking of ourselves as moral people. Here, in Ariely’s own words, are seven lessons you didn’t learn in school about dishonesty. (Interview edited and condensed by Gary Belsky.)

1. Most of us are 98-percenters.

“A student told me a story about a locksmith he met when he locked himself out of the house. This student was amazed at how easily the locksmith picked his lock, but the locksmith explained that locks were really there to keep honest people from stealing. His view was that 1% of people would never steal, another 1% would always try to steal, and the rest of us are honest as long as we’re not easily tempted. Locks remove temptation for most people. And that’s good, because in our research over many years, we’ve found that everybody has the capacity to be dishonest and almost everybody is at some point or another.”

2. We’ll happily cheat … until it hurts.

“The Simple Model of Rational Crime suggests that the greater the reward, the greater the likelihood that people will cheat. But we’ve found that for most of us, the biggest driver of dishonesty is the ability to rationalize our actions so that we don’t lose the sense of ourselves as good people. In one of our matrix experiments [a puzzle-solving exercise Ariely uses in his work to measure dishonesty], the level of cheating didn’t change as the reward for cheating rose. In fact, the highest payout resulted in a little less cheating, probably because the amount of money got to be big enough that people couldn’t rationalize their cheating as harmless. Most people are able to cheat a little because they can maintain the sense of themselves as basically honest people. They won’t commit major fraud on their tax returns or insurance claims or expense reports, but they’ll cut corners or exaggerate here or there because they don’t feel that bad about it.”

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3. It’s no wonder people steal from work.

“In one matrix experiment, we added a condition where some participants were paid in tokens, which they knew they could quickly exchange for real money. But just having that one step of separation resulted in a significant increase in cheating. Another time, we surveyed golfers and asked which act of moving a ball illegally would make other golfers most uncomfortable: using a club, their foot or their hand. More than twice as many said it would be less of a problem — for other golfers, of course — to use their club than to pick the ball up. Our willingness to cheat increases as we gain psychological distance from the action. So as we gain distance from money, it becomes easier to see ourselves as doing something other than stealing. That’s why many of us have no problem taking pencils or a stapler home from work when we’d never take the equivalent amount of money from petty cash. And that’s why I’m a little concerned about the direction we’re taking toward becoming a cashless society. Virtual payments are a great convenience, but our research suggests we should worry that the farther people get from using actual money, the easier it becomes to steal.”

4. Beware the altruistic crook.

“People are able to cheat more when they cheat for other people. In some experiments, people cheated the most when they didn’t benefit at all. This makes sense if our ability to be dishonest is increased by the ability to rationalize our behavior. If you’re cheating for the benefit of another entity, your ability to rationalize is enhanced. So yes, it’s easier for an accountant to see fudging on clients’ tax returns as something other than dishonesty. And it’s a concern within companies, since people’s altruistic tendencies allow them to cheat more when it benefits team members.”

5. One (dishonest) thing leads to another.

“Small dishonesties matter because they can lead to larger ones. Once you behave badly, at some point, you stop thinking of yourself as a good person at that level and you say, What the hell. This is something many people are familiar with in dieting. We’re disciplined until we lapse, and if we can’t think of ourselves as good people, then we figure we might as well enjoy it. And it happens with honesty as well. Cheaters too can start with one step. We conducted an experiment where participants were given designer sunglasses to wear and evaluate. Some were told their pair was authentic, others were told they were wearing fakes and others were given no information. Then, after they had been wearing their glasses for a while, we gave them matrices to solve. In all three groups, a significant portion of the participants reported solving a few more matrices than they actually had. Moderate cheating, as usual. But while 30% of the group wearing real designer sunglasses cheated, and slightly more, around 40%, of the people in the no-information group cheated, more than 70% of the group wearing the fakes exaggerated the number of matrices they solved. One moral violation leads to further immorality.”

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6. Better to encourage honesty than discourage cheating.

“Most attempts to limit cheating come from a cost-benefit understanding of the problem. We think if we make the punishments harsh enough, people will cheat less. But there is no evidence that this approach works. Think of the death penalty. There is no evidence that it decreases crime. A \better approach would be to ask, How can we help people stay honest? When we had an insurance company move the signature on a mileage reporting form from the bottom of the document to the top — so people were attesting that the information they were reporting was true before they filled out the form, rather than after— the amount of cheating went down by about 15%.”

7. Honesty is a state of mind.

“In one of our experiments, we split participants into two groups. We asked one group to try to recall the 10 Commandments, the other 10 books they read in high school. Then we had everyone do some matrices. What we found was that the people in the group who recalled books engaged in the same level of cheating as most people. But the participants in the group that tried to remember the 10 Commandments didn’t cheat at all. Small reminders of ethical standards can be very powerful.”

Terima kasih mas Bambang untuk artikelnya yang bagus (saya copy paste di badan email saja ya biar bisa semua bisa baca).

Memang betul ya setiap dorongan terbesar untuk cheating itu bukan pada reward-nya tapi pada kemampuan untuk merasionalkan tindakan cheating itu agar tidak kehilangan rasa sebagai orang yang baik. Mungkin contohnya: masih ada yang lebih korup.
Karena itu banyak yang cheating dilakukan dengan atas nama kebaikan untuk orang lain (altruistic).Mungkin contoh nyata: korupsi untuk pemasukan partai, guru memperbaiki nilai ujian nasional siswa, dll

Menarik di situ disebutkan small reminders of ethical standards sangat besar pengaruhnya. Mungkin perlu ada gambar atau tulisan di tempat umum yang mengingatkan korupsi = mencuri…:-)
salam
alma
Terima kasih Mas Bambang,

Postingan ini berguna sekali, butir 5,6 dan 7 bisa langsung diterapkan bagi semua orang : entrepreneur, manager, atasan dan bawahan

5. One (dishonest) thing leads to another.
Jadi yang dikerjakan di perusahaan tempat saya kerja sudah benar, kalau beli buku, kami beli 5-10 karena akan dipakai oleh 5-10 orang. Meskipun spiritnya adalah : Kasihan penerbit, bukan karena menjaga agar tim kami tetap jujur.

6. Better to encourage honesty than discourage cheating.
Ini juga bisa di kerjakan di perusahaan manapun, dengan meminta mereka declare akan bekerja baik.

7. Honesty is a state of mind.
Ini juga bisa dikerjakan di perusahaan manapun dengan mudah, melihat atasan-atasannya jujur membuat bawahan juga jujur.

Namun ini harus dipandang sebagai hasil dari suatu experiment yang berdiri disamping experiment yang lain. Dari pandangan ini, maka comment di butir 6 :

quote :
We think if we make the punishments harsh enough, people will cheat less. But there is no evidence that this approach works.
unquote

Tapi ada pendapat lain : bahwa hukuman bisa mengubah tingkah laku. Ini sudah dilakukan dibuktikan dengan percobaan BF Skinner, sudah diterapkan secara berhasil terhadap tentara Amerika yang ditawan China, sudah diterapkan dalam organisasi militer (juga oleh penjinak binatang) ribuan tahun sebelum ditemukan oleh BF Skinner dll dll, maka haruslah kita menerima perspective ini benar sampai suatu batas tertentu.

Adapun mengenai hal lain, saya setuju yaitu butir 2. Orang bisa mencuri kalau tidak melukai dignity-nya. Begitu juga butir 3 dan 4.

Meskipun demikian kita harus ingat bahwa suatu penelitian yang melibatkan orang tidak mungkin untuk “menerangkan semua”. Saya kira memang seharusnya demikian. Kalau model atom Rutherford tidak bisa menerangkan semuanya, bahkan hukum Newtonpun tidak, maka kitapun tidak bisa mengharapkan suatu telaah terutama yang berkenaan dengan “manusia” akan bisa menerangkan semuanya.

Kita perlu juga melihat adanya : tentara Jepang yang tinggal di hutan sendirian hingga 30 tahun sesudah perang (mengapa tidak “cheat” – tertangkap), akuntan yang menangani Enron bunuh diri (mengapa tidak cheat dengan pindah rumah), anak penipu ponzi Madoff, bunuh diri (mengapa tidak cheat dengan lari dan ganti nama), dan terakhir mengapa seorang karyawan Indonesia ketika pindah ke cabang Malaysia bisa lebih tertib disana. Memang hal diatas tidak berlaku sepenuhnya (tapi statistik seperti gejalan lain dalam hidup kita)

Di Amerika ada orang jual koran, dimana pembeli memasukkan coint, kemudian mengambil koran. Suatu ketika, pintu appartment saya diketuk dan seorang rekan Indonesia memberi satu exemplar koran. Ternyata dia memberikan juga pada Mas Nico Hadinoto, Nursubagyo dan Sutomo, semuanya Teknik Perminyakan (65?).

Tulisan diatas juga tidak menerangkan bahwa sebagian besar mahasiswa Amerika (1970 an) tidak cheating, dan mereka ujian pakai pensil yang dengan mudah di hapus. Serta kalau kita menerima kiriman di Amerika, kiriman itu diletakkan di muka pintu dan selama 4 tahun disana tidak mendengar sekalipun ada yang hilang.

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